urgent ethical question

topic posted Thu, November 16, 2006 - 2:34 PM by 
would it ever be right to slip, without their knowledge, a calming, grounding essence (like Rescue Remedy) to a dear friend who is in crisis?

I am actually considering doing this, but I worry that it may not be the right way to go.

Before I see my friend, I will definitely take an essence or two just to ground and protect myself. Maybe I could take something for him and hope that it transmits???

help!

p.s. my friend is not in any shape to give rational consent, or naturally that is the way I would go.
  • Re: urgent ethical question

    Thu, November 16, 2006 - 3:56 PM
    I guess if this were me, it would depend on what this person is like when they are rational. Are they open to different ways of healing when they are not in crisis? Are they asking for your help right now? If I couldn't answer these questions, then I'd probably just work on protecting myself, and then try to talk to the person in question. Or another way would be to put some essences in a spray bottle, and spray around in the room you are meeting him in, that way you are benefitting both of you and the energy around you, but not making him ingest something he's not aware of.

    Just my two cents...
    • Re: urgent ethical question

      Thu, November 16, 2006 - 4:40 PM
      or put a few drops in some water that he would drink. if it was anything else, i might think it unethical, like kava, is great for anxiety, but different people react to it differently. rescue remedy is pretty subtle and safe all around.
      good luck, i send him reiki love
      • Re: urgent ethical question

        Thu, November 16, 2006 - 8:46 PM
        My friend seems ok for now, and no, I did not give him any sort of flower essence, with or without his knowledge.

        Thank you both for your thoughts. I think that the question of whether a person is asking for help is a very important one. It is difficult to witness someone in a state where they might do themselves harm, but their path isn't necessarily for us to understand - or to meddle in.

        I'm sort of glad this issue came up - my eyes are just a little more open.
  • Re: urgent ethical question

    Fri, November 17, 2006 - 10:07 AM
    putting on a flower essences around people effects them . we are all connected!

    i have found that when i've put on a flower essence in the presence of stressed out people that their mood shifts and as a sensitive person i feel better when people around me aren't freaking out.
    • Re: urgent ethical question

      Tue, November 28, 2006 - 4:56 PM
      Its a hard question.....I always ask myself if I would be taking away their free will. Most times, the answer is yes and I don't do it. The remedy works best when they give permission to do so. Its just better energetically too.
      • Re: urgent ethical question

        Thu, November 30, 2006 - 8:32 AM
        Here's what I think, I'll start it with a disclaimer that it may ruffle some feathers but please consider it. I feel that we have been tricked into the idea that we need to develop a set of morality and integrity and ethical rules with which our minds will judge situations. I feel this is an unnecessary and even harmful reprecussion of religion and the struggle between power and powerlessness. I believe living your life attached to a sets of rules (even if their intent is just guidance) is a way that pulls us out of being in the present moment. It facilitates us judging the present through the past and increases the potential for repeating mistakes and/or compaunding old mistakes due to actions based in reactionary thought paterns. So because of the way we've been raised and the society we try to fit into and the ego, we develop a character to avoid taking responsability for the present moment. We identify only with how the moment fits our set of rules, instead of allowing for infinite possibilities and increasing the potential for clearing our karma in every interaction.

        The way I see it is, the only choice of actualy using your free will to it's highest power is to come at every present moment trying to listen to your self, your intuition, to others, to the energy in the environment, etc. Pay attention to your feelings, they are an intuitive guide. Trust that you will know the right action when the time is right for you to act and concern yourself only with receiving and watching the moment as it unfolds. Watch and be in the moment with gratitude for having it and you will be charged when the time comes for you to act in the moment. In this way you develop your intuition, you learn to discern instead of laying down judgements, and you will have your highest healing and clearing in every experience.

        Specifically, in this case, I would sya if you are groundd and your intuition tells you to slip in the essence then do it! Your friends spirit may be asking your spirit to help him, and you can trust that if you come from love your choice will be the righ one.
        • Re: urgent ethical question

          Thu, November 30, 2006 - 2:07 PM
          I've thought a lot about this since my original post. Everyone's input is fascinating. Man, what a "can of worms", eh?

          When I originally posted this, I was truly only concerned with calming him down enough to avoid a possible "5150" scenario. I didn't want to see my friend hauled away. Even though I didn't do anything then, my friend seemed stable enough to leave him and nothing came of it. Since then, however, he has spent 24 hrs in a padded cell. To me, this only proves that it's just a matter of time. Even if I had intervened (with or without his permission), I think the inevitable would have happened eventually anyway. So does that mean that my question was moot?

          I don't know.

          If I were a skilled practitioner, and if I could sense what he needs to make him whole and well again, should I use it? (This is purely theoretical, as I don't have the skill for that.) AESGS (forgive the abbreviation), what you say resonates. I can sense what my friend fears, what motivates his bizarre behaviour to an extent, but I would never presume to fully comprehend what's going on here. I have heaps of empathy, but I don't have the strong boundaries and personal groundedness that I think must be required to pull something like this off in the right way. Besides, I have a strong suspicion that what's happening to him is the direct result of a physical injury suffered in an accident three months ago. He needs to see a neurologist or neurophsychologist, but convincing him to do so is nearly impossible. I almost had him there, but he cancelled the appointment (I was going to hold his hand and take him there) and now he's raging again and won't speak to me.

          so... maybe it's time for me to find some "letting go" essences for ME. *sigh* This is awful.
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            Reply to Madeleine

            Thu, November 30, 2006 - 11:06 PM
            I'm sorry for you and your friend. Letting go is such a difficult thing. But sometimes it is the only thing we can do. Sometimes we have to watch people we love go through their Karmas and sufferings without being able to help them. But I think, ultimately, your friend will be ok. Perhaps, it may take some time. This world is a world of change where all is temporary. Happiness goes into suffering and suffering goes into happiness. I think your good intentions, your love, and your positive heart vibrations will reach your friend and will help to soothe some of his sufferings. I think that thought, intention has a lot of power. I have seen it work in my life. So I would suggest maybe meditating or praying in his name... or even just sending love and compassion in thought.

            I will say that I have known Flower Essences to heal a lot.... a person on their death bed was healed completely and left the hospital within a couple of weeks. So even though your friend is far gone, there is still hope. I would suggest contacting a professional who knows a lot about Flower Essences. I would definitely sneak stuff into someone's food if I thought it would help them. If I am being immoral, oh well. At least my immorality is easing someone's suffering. =)
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          Re: urgent ethical question

          Thu, November 30, 2006 - 10:50 PM
          YOU ROCK!!!! I agree with you 100%. You have spoken so eloquently and beautifully. Thank you for sharing your heart!!!! =)
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            Re: urgent ethical question

            Thu, November 30, 2006 - 10:52 PM
            by the way, the above post was in reply to angelic earth star goddess. =)
            • Re: urgent ethical question

              Mon, December 11, 2006 - 1:44 AM
              I am excited to share on this topic....I would say to the original poster, do not doubt your abilities as an empathic and intuitive healer. You have found yourself involved in flower essences and healing through them and you obviously have a strong energetic connection with your friend. Trust your intuition WITHOUT letting your mind get in the way. What I mean is, if you are intuitively called to act then DO IT, if your spirit and heart speaks then HEED THE CALL....you don't have to understand WHY you do everything, but if you are grounded and centered and you hear your heart speak, it is the healer in you guided you with a knowing you have simply forgotten.....be open and all is revealed...
  • Re: urgent ethical question

    Fri, December 15, 2006 - 4:59 PM
    From the perspective of "flower essences are information (energetic information)", I don't see much of a problem.

    You wouldn't hesitate to offer a friend information that might be helpful for them, right? With verbal information, you might ask first, something like, "Would you like some suggestions?" Allow a person's Higher Self to answer that question regarding energetic information.

    Essences aren't drugs; they don't change people against their will. See him or her as the fully healthy, fully empowered version of themselves rather than the "less than that" version that appears to be presenting itself and trust him to be able to take the information and use it, OR NOT, according to his highest good.

    Having said that, I prefer to introduce the information externally (room sprays, massage, etc) than internally (slipping it into their drink). The latter feels, to me, open to more question.
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      Re: urgent ethical question

      Mon, January 28, 2008 - 9:38 AM
      To original poster: Pray for him, send him healing energy and let him go. to put it bluntly, don't play god. Yes you may be intuitive and you may be a gifted healer but having good ethical boundries is also important as a healer. if we all went around doing what we felt was best for other people without their permissionI think it would be a mess. Maybe the best you can do is send him love and detach.
      • Re: urgent ethical question

        Mon, January 28, 2008 - 8:39 PM
        Prabuddh, I never claimed to be particularly intuitive, nor did I claim to be a healer, gifted or otherwise. Please do not put words in my mouth.

        I believe I expressed pretty clearly that I was concerned with the ethics of the situation, that I saw the potential for imposition even where helpfulness was intended.

        Can you understand that I was in pain when I asked this question? That I needed some insight and some objective guidance?
        I got those things from the wonderful people here. None of them needed to tell me, "don't play god."

        And Prabuddh, in the end I sent love and detached. I did not pray (except for myself) because even that can be an imposition. What will be will be.



        I still miss my friend, though. :(
        • Re: urgent ethical question

          Mon, January 28, 2008 - 9:15 PM
          Now that this has been brought up again, why don't I take the opportunity to say what I learned here?

          I learned that detaching was the most loving and respectful thing I could do in that situation, for both of us.
          I had to respect my friend's path, even though I couldn't understand it, even though it seemed perilous to me. I had to love my friend's spirit enough to trust that it knew what it was doing, that it was learning the lessons, having the experiences that it needed. Had I stayed, it would have made things harder for my friend, not better; the illness had made me a source of pain.

          I had to respect myself enough to recognize that this wasn't my path, that my friend needed this pain but *I* didn't and that staying would be worse for me than leaving.

          Big, difficult lessons, and extremely worthwhile. For this, I am grateful.

          The flowers did help. As has the growing conviction that there is no "me" and "my friend" but that we are manifestations of a One that strives through the temporary illusion of disparate "selves" to experience everything that is possible and thus, to know Itself; every path is sacred. All is well and as it should be.
  • Re: urgent ethical question

    Mon, January 28, 2008 - 11:35 PM
    i'm a fan of applying essences to my skin.
    a couple of years ago i took the 1st level BFE class and the teacher told us that since essences are vibrational they affect those around you. she told us stories of people putting rescue remedy in their hand lotion when going to intense events like funerals.

    after that class i found myself waiting a bus stop and had a father, daughter and her friends approach. the daughter was arguing with her father and was pretty upset. there energy was stressing me out so i applied some rescue remedy to my inner wrists. as i was doing that the daughter came and sat beside me and in the quickest instant her demeanor changed and she calmed down and started chatting with her friends like nothing had happened.

    people never ask about the ethics of thinking or talking negatively about others but for some reason we get hung up on the ethics of asking for consent for healing.
    • Re: urgent ethical question

      Tue, January 29, 2008 - 12:04 AM
      It seems most significant here that you were taking care of yourself in that situation.
      The other person was allowed to come towards that which drew them naturally.
      • Re: urgent ethical question

        Tue, January 29, 2008 - 12:18 AM
        "Heal thyself"

        it's a good place to start and sometimes, it's enough.
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          Re: urgent ethical question

          Tue, January 29, 2008 - 12:06 PM
          Sorry you took it so personally. I was not accusing you of anything and i don't feel it was implied. i was responding to this quote from another poster"Specifically, in this case, I would sya if you are groundd and your intuition tells you to slip in the essence then do it! " You asked for opinions so i gave mine. There is a discussion going on here that transcends your personal situation.
          Prabuddh
  • Re: urgent ethical question

    Sun, February 10, 2008 - 9:23 PM
    This might be a bit late and I apologize - since you mention he is not in an "ideal" mundane state, instead, go into a meditation (or dowse) and ask their "higher self" for permission.

    I also have a friend that says that she takes the essence herself for them and has good results. Hope this helps!

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